what i mean when i call a character perfect is “wow look at how flawed you are, how broken and three dimensional and well written. look how much of a disaster you are and how you are constantly torn between right and wrong and you make so many mistakes along the way wow look how human you are”
so basically when i say they are perfect what i mean is thank god they aren’t
Okay so, two days or so ago, this beautiful-ass gifset created by luminell appeared. And I basically keysmashed and wept internally and made strange dolphin noises, because it completely epitomized all my feelings about Loki and his motivations and his self destructive he has become. And two days later I gave birth to meta. (Sorry lumiell; you ARE the father.)
Think about it – Loki’s come full-circle here.
When we met him, he wasn’t a monster. He was the over-looked son of Odin, full of bitterness but no real malice. Was he innocent? No, not really. He was a conniving, manipulative, lying little shit. But like Fandral said, Loki had ‘always been one for mischief’, but the idea that he might actually do something hurtful was almost unthinkable. It wasn’t until Jotunheim – until his revelation and confrontation with Odin – that Loki began to lose his grip; on who he was, /what/ he was, and on his entire world view. That’s when he says this line; when he has his realization as to /why/ he could never compare to Thor. ‘So I am no more than another stolen relic, locked up until you might have use of me?’ The moment Loki says this out loud he internalizes it – he accepts it as fact.
WHEN PPL TRY TO ARGUE THAT ANY VERSION OF LOKI (INCLUDING MCU) IS INNOCENT
that was it
that was loki’s punishment
no hair product
no hair straightener
homegirl has not been to a proper hairdresser in MONTHS
odin is a harsh daddy
four things loki screams at thor in the dark world
what do you mean these aren’t loki
Loki is not a puppy that needs your help.
He’s a dick, he’s a murderer, he wasn’t forced and yeah he probably got himself into a pretty bad situation with the deal he made in Avengers but he knew what he was doing.
So please can we not start woobifying him again.
I want you to go to a bookstore
I want you to pick up a copy of Thor: The Trials of Loki.
Got it? Good.
Now I want you to look yourself up a translation of the Prose Edda and the Poetic Edda.
Here I found them for you: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/ , http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/pre/
Cool, now that you have your reading all in one place, I want you to close your eyes and imagine any of Loki’s realities, go ahead-
You can be an outcast among the Gods, blood brother of Odin but far from respected as a result of it
You can have been raised beside one of the most beloved men in Asgard, as his brother, but always having known that you were different, always looked at as inferior
or you can be a young man but also very old, having discovered only a couple years ago (which is like weeks, like months for a thousand year old god) that you are a member of the most hated, the most odious race to the Asgardian people you’ve grown up with.
Now I want you to imagine spending centuries trying to find your niche with the Gods until finally you decide you can live with being so very different.
I want you to imagine having sons and a daughter- I want you to imagine them being subject, one by one, to horrific, cruel fates because of what is claimed to be their destiny. I want you to imagine your son chained for eternity for crimes that he hasn’t yet committed. I want you to imagine your daughter cast out and demanded to rule over the dead, forevermore. I want you to imagine another son cast into the sea of a different realm entirely, torn away from you.
I want you to imagine bringing back incredible, unbelievable gifts for the gods- a ship that can be carried in a pocket or carry thousands on the sea, hair woven from gold in return for a prank you pulled on who was then a vain young girl, and a magnificent, powerful spear for Odin himself. I want you to imagine the gods turning their nose up at you because Thor happened to love the hammer given to him, more.
Now imagine managing, through the talent of wit, to save your own life for losing this challenge. Yes, you’re so lucky, you won’t be killed- no, instead, I want you to think, close your eyes if you please, imagine the unimaginable agony of having your lips sewn shut.
I want you to imagine murdering. It happened, there is no doubt of that. You’ve dealt with so much, lived with too much torment, you’ve snapped. You have Baldr killed and run off- But you never could have anticipated this.
You have two sons, two beautiful perfect boys with ten fingers and ten toes for once, for once they can’t say only monsters have come of you.
Odin has one turned into a wolf to slaughter his brother.
The entrails, can you imagine, are you picturing it, of your youngest son are used to bind you far underneath the earth, so that a snake can drip venom into your eyes, onto your face, for all eternity. There is no limit on the sentence, there is no timeframe after which you will be freed. The only solace you might find from the torture is your wife, having condemned herself to remain by your side (and her children are gone, how could any woman live), holding a bowl over your head to protect you from the poison for as long as it will hold. It isn’t a permanent solution. Every time she empties it, the agony begins again.
I want you to close your eyes and imagine-
You can’t close your eyes.
You have no eyelids.
Okay, parkster. Loki’s a dick. Is he a monster, too? Unworthy to sit at your table? You exemplify the men who made him what he is.
I never said he was a monster. I said he was a dick. And so did you. So we’re agreed.
I’m not going to pretend I know more about the comics than you because no I haven’t read them all. And I have read none that were Loki centric.
But to me the books and films are separate. I based my post on the movies as do the people defending Loki who say he was “mind controlled” and “misunderstood” in Avengers. Yes Loki was excluded but Thor loved him and so did Frigga and he has been giving countless opportunities by Thor to redeem himself and he rejected them all. He shows little to no remorse for his actions and dismisses mortals. Their deaths don’t seem to mean anything to him other than to make other mortals and Thor suffer.
And let’s say Loki had that backstory that he does in the comics (which he pretty clearly doesn’t in the movie verse since they’ve changed around a lot of stuff in all the movies and made some characters nicer/less deep)…that doesn’t excuse his actions. Even if you’ve been through horrible things. It doesn’t excuse killing people and horrible actions. That’s not how it works.
I’m not saying I can’t see how you could get to the point Loki gets to in the comics but that doesn’t mean his crimes are not punishable and shouldn’t be punished or that he is excused from them and blameless.
Given your wording I think you’re a Loki “fan”. Or something stronger than that. I’m a fan of his but I was really just pointing out a interpretation of his character that other fans get by reaching and by projecting Tom’s personality on him. I appreciate your post but what I’m trying to say is: Don’t look too deep into mine. I wasn’t criticizing Loki or his fans. Just the blindness that some fans have to his faults.
[♔] - i was a brother, i was a king.
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